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Theist:
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Has the universe always existed?
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Atheist:
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The universe encompasses time, thus it does not move through time.
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Theist:
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How do you know that it encompasses time, or is that by definition?
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Atheist:
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By definition.
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Theist:
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Ok, this is becoming interesting. If that is by definition, then you don't really know what this "universe" is that you are talking about, which is encompassing time. It is rather a concept that you have defined.
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Atheist:
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I am talking about the very universe we are living in. I know exactly what I'm talking about.
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Theist:
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Then you can not say that it encompasses time by definition. You are talking about a concept, not something you observed.
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